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Catherine Weetman talks to Åsa Stenmarck, of IVL, the Swedish Environmental Research Institute. Åsa works on projects that aim to create more sustainable consumption (including reducing consumption overall, sharing, waste minimization, recycling and so on), and she is particularly interested in plastics and food. We talk about return systems for food containers, food waste, behaviour change, ‘weasel words’, and how people expect both governments and companies to make ‘good choices’ easy for us.
Podcast host Catherine Weetman is a circular economy business advisor, workshop facilitator, speaker and writer. Her award-winning book, includes lots of practical examples and tips on getting started. Catherine founded Rethink Global in 2013, to help businesses use circular, sustainable approaches to build a better business (and a better world).
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Links we mention in the episode:
- Åsa Stenmarck stenmarck@ivl.se and on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/%C3%A5sa-stenmarck-a4221118/
- IVL https://www.ivl.se
- Lucy Antal of Feedback Global – Episode 9 https://www.rethinkglobal.info/episode-9-lucy-antal-transforming-our-food-systems/
- Robert Cialdini, author of INFLUENCE: The Psychology of Persuasion and other books https://www.robertcialdinibf.com/
- World Economic Forum Risk Report 20202 https://www.weforum.org/reports/the-global-risks-report-2020
- Microsoft will be carbon negative by 2030 https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2020/01/16/microsoft-will-be-carbon-negative-by-2030
About Åsa Stenmarck
In my work, I focus on developing and deliver projects that have the aim to create a more sustainable consumption (reduction of consumption, sharing, waste minimization, recycling etc.). In relation to that, I also work with plastics (the entire value chain, plastics vs other materials, recycling, recycling etc.) and with food (reduction of food waste, mapping of flows et). Over the years I have worked with many other product/waste types and I know a lot about Swedish and international product and waste legislation, instruments etc. I am a frequently asked expert and speaker in the area and one of my true joys is when I can bring research into reality.
IVL Swedish Environmental Research Institute has a wide environmental profile. We combine applied research and development with close collaboration between industry and the public sphere. Our consultancy is evidence-based, and our research is characterized by interdisciplinary science and system thinking.
IVL was jointly founded in 1966 by the Swedish state and national business interests to carry out research on industrial air and water issues. Today we are an environmental agency concentrating on much more. Common to all of our assignments is the interaction between ecological, economic and social perspectives.
What we talk about
[00:00] Åsa gives us a bit of background to IVL, the Swedish Environmental Research Institute, and the work it does on resources, waste and the circular economy
Return systems for takeaway food containers
[04:23] Next Åsa tells us about a current project, looking at a return system for takeaway boxes. The project explores how to make it work for the businesses and for consumers, and includes food cartons and takeaway cups.
Reducing food waste
[15:41] A second project focuses on reducing food waste, which is helped by the increasing levels of environmental awareness in Sweden.
[20:05] We discuss some of the factors causing food waste, in particular the role of the tight specifications for fresh fruit and vegetables used in some retailers’ contracts with farmers and processors. Catherine mentions some of the work that Feedback Global is doing in the UK [Podcast Episode 9] https://www.rethinkglobal.info/episode-9-lucy-antal-transforming-our-food-systems/
Behaviour change
[23:30] Catherine asks about the key behaviour changes, from the company buying team’s perspective, and the consumer’s perspective. Åsa says that giving people the ‘catastrophic’ statistics isn’t effective eg ‘3 million tonnes of apples/pears are wasted every year’. People tend to think they don’t waste very much, so they aren’t the ones causing the problem. Instead, telling people that their neighbour doesn’t waste food is more likely to persuade people to change. Catherine mentions ‘nudge’ theory, and Robert Cialdini (author of many books on the psychology of persuasion and behaviour change).
Confusing terminology
[28:10] We move on to discuss packaging, including the issues and misinformation on biobased and biodegradable packaging. This leads us into a discussion about ‘weasel words’ like natural.
[36:10] Åsa mentions an EU Commision report highlighting that citizens are expecting governments to do more to make companies responsible for doing the right thing for the environment. Citizens expect businesses to make the right decisions on our behalf, not to present us with options that are bad for the environment (or for us).
[40:55] We wrap up and ask Åsa where we can find out more about her work
To find out more about the circular economy, listen to Episode 1, read our guide: What is the Circular Economy or buy the book: A Circular Economy Handbook for Business and Supply Chains
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Want to find out more about the circular economy?
If you’d like to learn more about the circular economy and how it could help your business, why not listen to Episode 1, or read our guide: What is the Circular Economy?
To go deeper, you could buy Catherine’s book, A Circular Economy Handbook for Business and Supply Chains This comprehensive guide uses a bottom-up, practical approach. It includes lots of real examples from around the world, to help you really ‘get’ the circular economy. Even better, you’ll be inspired with ideas to make your own business more competitive, resilient and sustainable.
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Podcast music
Thanks to Belinda O’Hooley and Heidi Tidow, otherwise known as the brilliant, inventive and generous folk duo, O’Hooley & Tidow for allowing me to use the instrumentals from the live version of Summat’s Brewin’ as music for the podcast. You can find the whole track (inspired by the Copper Family song “Oh Good Ale”) on their album, also called Summat’s Brewin’. Or, follow them on Twitter.
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